My head’s been hurting so much all day, but I was so set to post that I just had to. If this makes next to no sense because of the headache, then I apologize.
So The Anti-friending meme. Ever since I first got the idea presented to me, all I could think of was ruffled feathers. I know it was one of the things that could do that. Ruffle feathers that is. I am sorry if it felt like too much, too negative and completely unnecessary, and I hope you forgive me my extravagant moment of hosting it anyway.
My other concern with it was that it could turn to flat out hate meme. But people were pretty good with it, other than occasional efforts of trying too hard to make their point and failing at recognizing when it is better to stop. Then the meme got killed by a true hate meme (I has impeccable timing), so maybe that is a reason why people were rather civil too. Thank god for that because I almost did not sleep that night, afraid of letting it go unattended. In a way, this too is a conclusion, fandom can handle itself on occasions.
The whole thing was rather interesting. I’m sure I had more conclusions, but by now, the following three stuck in my mind, so here you go:
Pairings preferences, or lack of certain pairings among your OTPs, is a huge criterion in deciding whether to friend someone. To me this is interesting because I don’t actually consider the (more or less) delusional OTP concept of gay sparkle-ness to be such a huge part of my fandom. It is a huge part of the fic fandom, but JE is about music, hilarity, variety, boys being hot all on their own, about selling dreams and personality patterns and shiny, and well I feel that liking certain pairings, if any, is only a small portion of it and does not define me nearly as much as let’s say groups I follow.
Coherence is important. Be it understandable English, state in which you make posts, or the writing/expression style. All those made an appearance. It is interesting, but in a way I understand. If I had several people whose entries I would find difficult to read and comprehend on my flist, it would turn what is supposed to be a pleasurable experience into a rather painful and tiring one. That said different people have different levels of tolerance when it comes to coherence (or lack of thereof – clearly this is my expression today). It is interesting how high or low the limits can be set.
Connectivity? Let’s call it this. Apparently it is a disadvantage if you do not have a twitter and/or tumblr or if you admit to not being active on it. This, to me is a little puzzling if not sad because the last meme (and all the previous once that did not specify otherwise) were LJ friending memes. I mysle do have tumblr and twitter, but I work average 10 hours a day, sleep some more of the day away, and in the rest of my time, the timeline on my twitter moves so fast I can hardly ever keep up, if I am on my PC that is. I got twitter because it has become better source of fandom info, while LJ unfortunately is loosing this function. But the more of you I follow, the less I find there too. It makes me feel I might be getting old for this fandom because I can’t keep up with the evolution. Coming back to the friending requirements, it is then rather unfair and (sad) that to be someone’s friend on LJ you need to be participate in other social networks than LJ itself. Otherwise, anons say, they'd find it hard to connect with you.
Especially the last point makes me feel even more detached to people on my flist who post rarely, do not talk to me in comments and are active elsewhere.
Anyway, personal result of the meme. I suppose I have always known that being RyoDa fangirl means people are cautious of friending you. But lately I have had such a steady and nice friend list that I almost forgot. The meme reminded me that RyoDa fangirls are considered crazy and more thread than an asset to one's friends list. Therefor I now love you even more for giving me a try and tolerating my crazy. I know my mind can get very one-track sometimes when it comes to my OTP, but I hope I do not annoy you with it too much.
After that very serious fandom analysis (LOL, fandom is serious business), have my Saturday night joy. I spent my Saturday at work, but took a walk on my way home and got myself something to liven up my kitchen. With the choice I made, it seems fall is really coming.
It is a pretty fall though! The weather forecast for the next two weeks is sunny and still around 20 °C or only a little less so this is great *____________* I took a walk up to the castle today after work, so I need to sort and post those pictures sometimes. It was rather pretty.
And lastly, my sister,
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chivakaza is safely in Japan, probably sleeping more than 24 hours of travel and official business away. I am relieved, she seemed to have handled it like a boss and now she has an amazing year ahead of her. (LOL she also sent her friends to my journal to find out if the plane did not crush and since she might not have the internet for a while, I figured I'd leave this public so that curious people not willing to wait 5 months before getting worried know she is fine and safe)
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Date: 2011-09-26 07:24 pm (UTC)This isn't a response to this whole post, by any means, considering that you've written quite a bit of meta on this and I don't have an opinion yet.
But! Somehow, I am floored at the idea of pairings being so relevant to friendship. Firstly, I'm ignorant of the stereotypes associated with pairings, but regardless of them, it would take a hell of a crazy pairing to make me actively not want to be friends with someone. Like, yes, of course im more likely to become friends with someone if they ship Pin, but that's because I'm going to be interacting with them more! It doesn't mean that even pairings I disagree with are grounds for not being friends.
Things that would make it harder are things like "I hate Jin forever and I like to actively talk about that hate" or "I'm the type of person who enjoys being miserable" or somesuch nonsense.
So I just... Sometimes I don't get all the negativity in this fandom. It makes me feel sad, and more negative myself. How painful it must be, to spend your life trying to place a value on other people.
Not a single person in your anti friending meme is someone I wouldn't be friends with. Hmmm. But on the other hand, I usually become friends with people I talk to in neutral locations first, or are good friends with my friends, and I never let my flist get above 40, because then I'm not able to answer all the posts and such. Twitter is cool, though, and all of them seem like interesting people. <3
Nothing about Ryoda or any of that made me not want to be friends with you. I'm just shy about friending people! <3 otherwise we would have been friends before.
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Date: 2011-09-26 07:43 pm (UTC)LOL yes bigger flist, bigger troubles keeping up. But I feel with LJ it is possible because hardly everyone posts every day and I can spread reading and replying into as long as I need to really. I also see connection between this and twitter issue. People get lazy, on twitter, you write 150 sings, you interact, you feel connected once in a while and the rest of it, you can creep around. I actually think LJ friendships do require effort. You read an entry and to connect you have to click it, then hit comment, reply, wait for a reply . . . it seems people are finding that as too much work these days. But I think twitter will never give you the opportunity to get to know the person exactly because it is such a fleeting, right-now-right-here kind of thing. The reactions, the thoughts we post on it, often reflect it. It is like seeing exaggerated, crazy, emotional part of you but no . . . context?
Idek this got long. It was just interesting to follow the meme grow and people trying to come up with reasons.
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Date: 2011-09-26 08:03 pm (UTC)basically i agree with you and maia and ryoda rocks. :Dv
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Date: 2011-09-26 09:18 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-09-26 08:53 pm (UTC)Surely I'm not going to complain about Ryoda, seen as I get to know you trough your fics!
I totally agree on JE fandom being more the yaoi, I really enjoy talking about all the stuff about our boys and also reading all the personal entry people post on lj. A tiny sparkly piece on world united around pretty idols!
This is a perfect occasion to use my userpic, on top of that.
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Date: 2011-09-26 09:19 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-09-26 08:57 pm (UTC)I don't even like Ryo (please don't unfriend me now ._.) but I was never annoyed by you fangirling RyoDa. I think it's obvious by the rest of your form or just by looking at your lj that you're not one of the "crazy" ones which are responsible for the bad reputation.
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Date: 2011-09-26 09:20 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-09-26 09:18 pm (UTC)Liking RyoDa is like a stigmata, but we talk about that a lot. There is a lot of badfic, yeah, but I haven't yet met a person who doesn't talk about anything but their OTP. How often do you? It's not that much and I doubt anyone actually feels bothered by a paragraph now and then. You know I do appreciate it even if no one else does. ♥♥
Activity on twitter/tumblr, wtf. I enjoy talking with people on twitter, simply because it's so quick and resembles actual conversations, but blog posts often say things that you wouldn't actively poke someone about. I can't imagine being friends with someone just on the basis of what they manage to express in 140 signs or less. >///<
Ramble, ramble. XDD
I'm glad your sister arrived safely! A year in Japan sounds exciting, I hope she has lots of fun. <33
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Date: 2011-09-26 09:25 pm (UTC)1st section: NOD NOD
2nd section: NOD NOD I feel like I most show as ryoda fangirl on request posts, memes and such and I like to flail about them so I am glad that it is not too much :D and aaawwwww ♥
3rd section: THIS!!!!! Especially about what you can't say in 150 characters and such.
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Me too for both. And then I can start planning to go see her.
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Date: 2011-09-26 10:05 pm (UTC)I would comment normally, but somehow I didn't really have any specific reactions to your post.
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Date: 2011-09-26 10:10 pm (UTC)That is kind of sad all things considering. I guess I failed at analysis then.
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Date: 2011-09-26 10:13 pm (UTC)I don't think so. On either of those points.
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Date: 2011-09-26 10:26 pm (UTC)Okay then.
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Date: 2011-09-26 10:30 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-09-26 10:39 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-09-26 10:30 pm (UTC)Also, can I saw how I love your logical analysis of this experiment? Let's skip the part where I sound like a creeper, y/y? Maybe some of these pointers would help in future friending memes.. something like, tips to give a good job interview.
>> Don't :( ♥! *rolls in this flist subgroup*
Will be waiting for the pics of the castle! And glad your sister is fine and safe ♥
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Date: 2011-09-27 06:28 pm (UTC)Haha well since I called it an experiment, I felt like a report on the observations was in order :D And this entry is open, people can come back to learn what to hide about themselves ;D
Haha, I have a mistake in that sentence. Will try!
I just need to find the patience to code it all.
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Date: 2011-09-28 07:21 pm (UTC)*sits and waits for next experiment* *rocks back and forth*
With LJ being a pain, you have all my love. It ate a tl;dr post the other day and I almost stabbed my screen with my heels. It's insanely annoying. But well, I'll still be waiting those pics, at least a couple :") ♥.
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Date: 2011-09-28 07:26 pm (UTC)Also hmm, I am not too clever to come up with them, that is my friend's parte. But if she suggest something again that I will feel like trying, I will make sure you find out ;D
They will come, I promise.
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Date: 2011-09-26 10:57 pm (UTC)I never think that my English is bad, I start learning this language when I was 8 years. Maybe I made mistake, when I write, but I never think about it like a reason to defriend people. I have friends from different country and sometimes they need to find right words to express what they want to say and I will understand it.
I never really hear before, that Ryoda fangirls are crazy, but during this meme, someone wrote the reason not to me friends- Akame, so I think, that just troll XDXD I like Ryoda and I love this guys and I add them in every my fic :)
About twitter, i think twitter helps to be more open and to know each other better. I have a lot of lj friends, but we start really talking only in twitter and it easier to communicate there, but lj give opportunity to talk about different things, maybe more personal, so I think both is important. I have tumblr, but I never use it to comunicate.
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Date: 2011-09-27 06:43 pm (UTC)Well I can understand you though you like to skip the verb be ;D But you really are perfectly comprehensible. No really, I think it is not the level of knowledge of English only. It can be many things. Such as long, long sentences and talking in circles and using too much internet abbreviations and typing strangely or posting drunk (while skipping words ;D). All of those are fine in small measures but it can pile up and I can see how it could be frustrating to the point of not wanting to be friends with someone. Especially if you feel like every other post of theirs is a big riddle you need to solve.
I don't think they were trolls as much as simple people with prejudices towards pairings that tend to attract questionable writers and dramatic fangirls in bigger amounts. I think they exist for every OTP and maybe the ratio is the same, but I can see where the prejudice comes from for akame and ryoda. It doesn't mean it is right or fair, but . . .
I really could live without twitter and I do go off it a lot when I am too busy and such. I feel it is often more tiring than useful, but then so much info is on it that people never share on LJ anymore that it feels like I would be lost without it. Really I just do not like the temporary nature of it.
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Date: 2011-09-27 06:52 pm (UTC)Twitter is a very good thing, when you are in some place seating alone and wait and for killing time, you spent it in twitter :)
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Date: 2011-09-27 07:00 pm (UTC)And well, before twitter you read books, or wrote
fanficoriginal stuff, or looked around and observed, talked to strange people sitting around (and sometimes found great friends, or just interesting beings in them) . . . you know, I really do not want to be mean here, but if that was the only purpose on twitter, we could all live without it ;Dno subject
Date: 2011-09-27 07:08 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-09-26 11:31 pm (UTC)Therefore, I think that people who doesn't want to friend another just based on pairings are uhm, for the lack of word, are not willing to connect beyond that? True, it's a fangirly thing to like pairings, but it's quite creepy to make it a sole criterion. Then again, there might be people who are willing to open, only that they feel like they wouldn't be able to connect with people in question because of lack of things they can talk about. I just wish the convey more of the latter instead of the former.
Anyways, I think JE fandom has been relaxing; strange opinion, yea. I spent a great amount of time in the past 3-4 years lounging in anime/manga fandom and there were stereotypes based on what you ship. Apparently what you ship defines how you look at social norms, literary perspectiveness (whatever that term is), stances on feminism, intelligence (!!!). People spent a lot of time being smart and pretending to smart - it took a toll on me. I like having read and research for the sake of doing it, but when it's vitriolic and disrespectful it's just uncalled for.
One of the best things I like about this fandom is that it's quite fic-driven. Which is good (and bad...) because it pushes me to learn and meta. Watching the boys is like watching a never-ending social subject at work. XD
/rambled
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Date: 2011-09-27 07:20 pm (UTC)LOL I think parts of it have been much more calm, yes, as proven by the anti-friending meme not turning into hate meme, even if this has nothing to do with pairings and stereotypes. Also so much effort into analyzing someone based on what good night stories they like ;D
I think you need to elaborate on the last section :D I want to hear more in order to understand. (And I sometimes feels it is sad how fic driven fandom is actually because it may feel - not without a reason - that if you do not write fic - you don't have much chance to feel welcome and appreciated within fandom, thus resulting in lots of people who really probably never written for fun before or even considered it, starting to write and often with not so awesome results? /end of being potential snob/ And that sentence might have made very little sense).
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Date: 2011-09-28 02:39 am (UTC)Simply put, when there is a heavier degree of certainty in materials, fans are less likely to depend on their imagination to derive their perspective of the characters given because the canon materials provide a solid base. And in that, because there's such a line drawn between canon and fanon, people are more defensive of their thoughts because they have, for the lack of a better vocabular, support for their thoughts. And because fiction-based fandom are mostly propelled by developments provided to them, there are always analysis done on character developments, motifs, themes in the material. It's like everyone's doing a study together, and in the journey of seeking enjoyment, most people find it in the analysis of the materials itself. We can put an exception for fandoms like Twilight or HP because the materials hardly come by that often; but for TV shows, anime, manga, games, often people thrive by debating with each other, reading off other people's debate with each other and stuff.
I think JE-fandom is fic-driven because of the dynamics with the people and because the canon materials scream for the girls' imagination to go wild. It has everything any slash fangirl can want - the love declarations, the bond, the togetherness. And because the men themselves has a persona created for them, it's easy to extrapolate these personas into a perception that has been craeted in mind. This is more or less the same as fiction-based fandom; only that JE people takes themselves far less seriously the environment is lax in nature, so naturally, the fandom should be lax? It's like, because there's an unlimited source of "canon" (interviews, fanreports etc) materials, there's a limitation to how much we can derive from it? In the end everyone stuck to what they have and stop debating much, letting the boys sway us with their evolution instead of looking for validations with every evolution. Not too sure if I nailed the difference but am too lazy to be extremely analytical atm.
SO. Fic-driven vs analysis-driven. I used to be in a fandom where it's more important to meta and analyse than write fic, because in the intense drive to have their opinions be proven valid, fangirls' focus on fics become secondary. I know, because I have seen f_w posts busting ridiculous debate essays and bashing essays, but not so much on fic-bashing. On a more personal level, when I did this transition, I took character analysis on a more personal level. Like say, if I dunno anything about Ueda, I can't write him.
...and secondly, haha, (I noticed that this issue is quite specific to the asian pop fandom) because there's such a polarising level of quality of fics, people are more driven to work on not falling into the er, less flattering category?
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Date: 2011-09-28 02:40 am (UTC)Thing is that, because of where I come from (I'm from Malaysia, no idea if you know it already) and we are known in fandom for less than passable level of English (accusations that are, sorry for betraying my fellow countrywomen, not unjustified, but that's something for another time), I tend to be self-conscious about how I write. At the risk of sounding like a complete snob, I do believe that I possess a level of English that doesn't require remedial help in order to make sense, grammatically or logically, thus for me, writing is a way to exercise my language usage. I have no qualms with people correcting my sentences because otherwise, how do I learn? A lot of time I wish people who ...er.. write with not so awesome results realise that if they are doing it, they are putting themselves out for criticism and if they are doing it, they might as well out some effort into doing it? By effort I mean, asking for people to help in checking for basic readability issues at least.
Last, on your point of people who don't write fic not being welcomed, I think it's the same in each fandom. In analysis-driven fandom, if you're not a generally-perceived intellect, you're not welcomed. In fic-driven ones, if you don't write, you're not welcomed. It's sad, yes, and I think that people do find friendship within their flailings. I sometimes wish that people don't try too hard to want to be recognised and don't recognise a person too much - it makes the distinction far too prominent and most of the time, appears to be much too intimidating to others.
...oops. rambled again. I'm so sorry :(
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Date: 2011-09-28 02:57 am (UTC)To sum it all. Personally, the difference between me that was learning and meta-ing in an analysis-driven fandom vs fic-driven fandom is the purpose. (sorry for having to add another comment, because it just came clear to me, I'm unorganised like that) In an analysis-driven fandom, I learned about the characters for the sake of a subconscious search for validation. I started a fiction and learning about a character and scream YESSSSS when what I have predicted in mind came true. It doesn't help that fictions are mostly workings of a human mind and no matter how unpredictable a story is, there are always tropes and cliches that come to play. A work of fiction, no matter how great, has always been confined within the workings of a human mind.
In a fic-driven fandom, I learned about the characters in order to work them in my mind and thus, eliminating the need to validation. It's especially so for real people fandom, because the limitations of character development is no longer confined within the workings of a human mind, but the dynamics of the world. So, it's like, learning about a character/person has become less of an intense discovery but more of a journey of character study?
...forget of all these made no sense :|
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Date: 2011-09-28 09:28 am (UTC)I think I get now what you are trying to say. I also get how when you have let us say manga and you work with set amount of material written, people would get into trying to prove that their own perception is the right one. And I get that with fandom like ours where there is still new and new material coming out, we re in constant motion and thus it is much harder to validate one's opinion. That however doesn't mean we do not have stereotypes for them :D
Anyway, with all that, for me writing is fun, all this fandom is fun, so I just do not feel like I am going this deep, not consciously anyway. I guess I do because if I am not sure about something when I write, I read an interview or two, or I watch a video, and I try to make my characters believable. But on the other hand, the never ending pool makes me feel like I might be completely wrong because even the translated things I could get my hand on, I don't have time to go through it all. And another interview, another video could totally shift your perception. In that way I guess I get the lax part. All characterizations, in a way, are possible.
But the analysis and fic are only a part of what I call fandom. I like to just watch a video, have a good laugh and then go to sleep without asking why Ryo was moaning like an idiot when they massaged his foot, without thinking if this makes him M (and tons of my fic is thus invalid) or without thinking if this was scripted. I will maybe flail about how he looked good moaning. But that will be it (Or I will cover my ears and eyes and won't be able to finish the video due to second hand embarrassment). That part of my fandom, the entertainment (because well that is their job - to entertain) is for me as important, if not more, than the fic one.
But I guess it would be annoying if everyone analyzed everything, so I do get where you are coming from in comparison. Because for me, this whole experience is just about fun, and relaxing and winding down, not about finding reasons behind everything all the time. (This post and this comment chain proves I do make exceptions ;D)
I has two parts too ;D
Date: 2011-09-28 09:28 am (UTC)I also agree about making effort to make fics readable when you try. I will however say once again, it is not so easy to find the person willing to help. This is why I try to go easy on certain level of mistakes in fics. When I started writing fics, started on LJ, I had no friends that were English natives or had a level of English that was better than mine. And "beta" has to have at least that to help. It is hard to get out of the circle of those people speaking "communicative" English only. Then you need to beg. For the longest time my sister beta-ed some stuff. But I couldn't booster her all the time (and she is not even in fandom). Then I found a person who was for some times willing to beta for me and she was amazing. She taught me so much and was very thorough. Unfortunately, due to certain circumstances, she cannot do it anymore, and now I am, again, stuck with begging my friends left and right and am sometimes unable to find a beta at all. And I have much wider and VERY English based friends circle right not. This is why lots of my random fics that are not dedicated to anyone isn't beta read at all. I just read it like ten times, but stop seeing the typos and grammar hitches at some point. So every time I come back to it, I end up fixing some. This again is why fandom need to realize that people who do not have their fics beta read often just did not find anyone willing so. (Sorry this totally strayed from the subject, but I stumbled upon this issue on a hate meme again, and got all angry because it was going way overboard. Clearly I am still not over it). BUT I will also say that you should recognize when your English just isn't up to par for (published) fic writing.
However, then, if you can't translate, can't share scans, and can't write fic, can't write or make awesome fan videos, you feel like you do not belong. This is why I wish fic would matter less in fandom in the big picture.
This is long. And I don't know if I responded to all of the things how I wanted. But thanks for explaining. <3
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Date: 2011-09-27 02:10 am (UTC)20 degrees? We got 40, today. ;__; I'm American but I'm trying to teach myself the metric system so I won't be a complete idiotic American. haha.
Japan, yay! Glad she got there safely, hope she has a good time. :)
I'm sorry but I'm lazy so I'm going to skip on commenting about the anti-friending meme because everyone else already said it. :p
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Date: 2011-09-27 06:47 pm (UTC)I lived in States for a year but I still prefer online converter to my poor attempts at converting despite knowing the way to do it.
Me too!
LOL it's not like you need to comment on everything I write in a post. It's totally cool to you know, pick and chose. I do it all the time <3
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Date: 2011-09-27 02:26 am (UTC)The results were interesting. Pairings aren't too important to me, but I knew there were some stigmas attached to certain pairings. I agree with you that groups are more important than pairings.
Coherence is important, but then again, LJ can be used for many things like incoherent life rambling or fangirling. I can't blame people for not wanting to deal with that, but can't always judge a person on that either.
Connectivity-wise...well, since this is an LJ-based meme, people on it would generally have to be active on LJ somehow. While it's great people can connect in other ways, it's an LJ meme. I don't know...I'm a little irked that people didn't friend based on not having those items. I'd rather have people be active on LJ.
Ah, sorry for the long ramble ^^
You have a castle nearby!? How awesome is that!
I'm glad your sister arrived safely :)
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Date: 2011-09-27 06:58 pm (UTC)I think life ramblings and fangirling aren't incoherent by default if that is what you implied ;D Because that is all I do, then it would mean I am always incoherent? But yes, I agree with you completely. It's like, if there's a balance then it works.
Ramble away. This is definitely the part that I "hate" the most. I am even inclined to calling people lazy for moving completely to twitter even if that is probably too harsh. I would love to have them more active on LJ again.
I live in Prague. I have this huge, old city center in basically a walking distance from me. You know, castle, then Charles' bridge, then Orloy . . . it's breathtaking really :D (/totally smug about her address)
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Date: 2011-09-27 10:46 pm (UTC)lol, I think fangirling can be incoherent on some people's journals. Obviously, you're not one of them, so we're good xD
From my experience on Twitter, it really does blow off the steam/urge to post something, because we're constantly updating people. But it does suck when people don't post on their LJ and expect you to still keep up with their lives. I try to do both :)
haha, definitely boast about your address; sounds lovely!
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Date: 2011-09-28 08:53 am (UTC)Ah good to know. Sorry if it ever gets there.
I do too, as long as I am on my pc, I try to bookmark links and stuff as to not to forget later. LOL often thought it feel like people will side-eye me for all the stuff I post about being old news. Like, "please, I flailed about this on twitter 36 hours ago!" :DDD
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Date: 2011-09-28 03:34 pm (UTC)I don't care if it's old news, people will hear about it again! :P
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Date: 2011-09-27 02:37 am (UTC)(That's why I sneak in a mention of my top two in the pairing section even though it doesn't ask.)
And I agree with you about LJ vs. Tumblr and Twitter. I don't like Tumblr at all, and Twitter is very timezone-dependent so I feel like I miss a lot of my friends who are in Japan or other far-off places if they don't post to LJ regularly, since they're only online when I'm asleep or busy. Twitter is just so impermanent that I really don't think it's a good substitute for LJ (not to mention that 140 characters is really not enough for good conversation). If fandom ever entirely moves to Twitter and Tumblr...that'll probably be when I leave fandom.
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Date: 2011-09-27 07:30 pm (UTC)You are a good job! ;D
IMPERMANENT! That is exactly the word i was searching for three comments about you. I agree with everything in this paragraph of yours and my remark about getting old for this fandom was exactly my hint on the fact that it keeps going, it will be my end in it too. O:
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Date: 2011-09-27 12:15 pm (UTC)As far as pairings, I agree with what Ilana said about the meme not asking for favorite person in JE making pairings a bit more important. Also, if someone says they don't ship anything at all I'm inclined to think that they'll be annoyed/weirded out by my shipping/posting fic, so I'd be less likely to friend them and I imagine a lot of other people would. Aaaand lastly on the subject of pairings, I personally tend to avoid people who only ship one or two things because in my experience I end up getting in fights with them XD (Of course, some of my good friends only ship one or two things, so obviously it's not a hard and fast rule!)
As far as connectivity/use of other social networking sites goes, I don't really care if you don't use tumblr because I think it's an absolutely terrible forum for getting to know people, but it is nice to have twitter because I like to see all the little things that are going on in people's lives...does that sound creepy? XD Anyway, I think it's sort of come about because a lot of people are posting to lj less regularly, and since stuff like twitter and tumblr are much less low-pressure we're kind of spreading ourselves out there...I wouldn't choose not to friend someone if they didn't use twitter though!
Wow I...apparently have a lot to say about this! XD
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Date: 2011-09-27 07:47 pm (UTC)That is an interesting thing to know about yourself. I wonder, isn't it more about those people not being open to the fact that someone else might see the people from their OTPs as parts of different pairings as well? Like eg if I was not only die hard ryoda fan but also kept giving out signals that this means I don't think Ryo could/should be shipped with Shige or Subaru or anyone else for that matter? (Btw I am actually quite a sucker for all those three pairings, lol.)
It doesn't sound creepy. I get it, but for me, it also feels like I cannot keep up with every little thing that goes on in people's life in such a fast track environment as twitter. So I would be much happier if they shared it to some extent on LJ :D This brings me to the fact that people stopped posting to LJ regularly because they started using twitter or tumblr. I might be reading your sentence wrong, but it feels like you see the causality the other way around? Also are the things you see all the little things of someone's life or only scattered fragments that are far away from having really informative value because it is often SO impulsive? I am aware of the fact that fragment means a small piece of something, so I am not sure if I am conveying my intention of differentiating the two of them and giving fragment a slightly negative context here. (well now that I said it . . .). I am not completely against twitter. I have it and use it at times, but I am not all that happy with how it influence my LJ experience (making me feel like people are starting to slip away) and I guess this shows.
Apparently, you are not the only one. Good part of my f-list does too. Look up! I just spent over an hour replying to all of these. And clearly I too still have tons to say . . .